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[I] An entertaining exam question [message #267179] Mo, 15 Mai 2006 22:14
Jennifer Stone  
On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:

"Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"

Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?


--
Jen[nifer Stone]
jmstone at lithoi dot demon dot co dot uk
"In housing his great tortoise, Tsang Wen-Chung
had the capitals of the pillars carved in the
shape of hills and the rafter posts painted in
a duckweed design. What is one to think of his
intelligence?" Confucius, /The Analects/
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267194 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 08:59
Pudde Fjord  
Jennifer Stone wrote:
> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing at?
> And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>

Probably the one that's written in your book somewhere...

Pudde.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267195 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 09:01
Brenda  
Jennifer Stone said:

> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?

How about this: "It is my belief that this question has no sensible answer
that can actually be fitted into the space provided, and my opinion that
this answer is not sufficiently clever to receive either of the two
available marks, but who am I to argue with the fact that you will give me
both?"

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267202 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:27
mcv  
Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Jennifer Stone said:
>
>> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>>
>> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>>
>> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
>> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
>> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>
> How about this: "It is my belief that this question has no sensible answer
> that can actually be fitted into the space provided, and my opinion that
> this answer is not sufficiently clever to receive either of the two
> available marks, but who am I to argue with the fact that you will give me
> both?"

I've got no idea what a mark is worth nowadays, but I'd certainly award
some points for this answer.


mcv.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267208 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:42
news0605  
mcv wrote:
> I've got no idea what a mark is worth nowadays,
>
Approximately 51 Eurocents.

Michael
Re: [I]An entertaining exam question [message #267209 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:44
robcraine  
Jennifer Stone wrote:
> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>
>

Facts are unrelated to belief. Your belief is just your opinion.

Rob

--
There are three types of people in the world: those who can count and
those who can't.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267210 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 10:39
David Chapman  
From the Collected Witterings of Jennifer Stone, volume 23:
> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer.

Vertical or horizontal?

> I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
> at?

Two marks usually implies a one- or two-sentence reply.

> And, genuinely, what answer do they want?

"Facts relate to beliefs by supporting them. Opinions relate to belief by
giving a basis for faith in them."

--
If life gives you lemmings, jump off a cliff.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267234 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 15:04
Arthur Hagen  
Jennifer Stone <jmstone [at] NOSPAMlithoi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?

Facts without information forms opinions.
Information without facts forms belief.

Next?
--
*Art
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267246 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 16:47
Notifier Deamon  
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Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267319 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 22:19
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Jennifer Stone:

> On my General Studies examination today appeared the
> question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief.
> [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an
> answer. I think it is answerable, but for /two marks/?
> What are they playing at? And, genuinely, what answer do
> they want?

Peanuts cartoon: Pepermint Patty reads her test sheet.

"Explain World War Two.
Use both sides of the paper if necessary."


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"What do monsters have nightmares about?"
"Me!"
-The Doctor
Re: An entertaining exam question [message #267363 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 01:38
rja.carnegie  
Jennifer Stone wrote:
> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>
> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>
> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?

Wow, Melvyn Bragg and his friends got forty minutes out of Relativism
back in January!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_2006 0119.shtml
....extremely boring. ;-)

I suppose I would incline to say that, Relativism notwithstanding, fact
is what you know to be true, opinion is your personal interpretation of
or inference from fact, and belief is opinion that doesn't necessarily
have contact with facts at all, but after all I like to go to the
talk.origins newsgroup and laugh at creationists.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267535 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 22:04
Jennifer Stone  
David Chapman wrote:
> From the Collected Witterings of Jennifer Stone, volume 23:
>
>>On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>>
>>"Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>>
>>Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer.
>
>
> Vertical or horizontal?

Vertical. So really a space of six by two inches.

>> I
>>think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
>>at?
>
>
> Two marks usually implies a one- or two-sentence reply.
>
>
>>And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>
>
> "Facts relate to beliefs by supporting them. Opinions relate to belief by
> giving a basis for faith in them."

Yes. Why didn't I think of that? I kept thinking of all the
different things belief could be used to mean, as in:
I believe in God
I believe in feminism
I believe it is raining outside
I believe in Joe Trustworthy
I believe Joe Trustworthy

It was condensing the important ideas into the space which gave me
trouble. There's always a sneaking suspicion that the examiner has
their Secret Official Answer set down already, no deviation from which
will be accepted, and the question is really part of a great game of
examiner psychology.

--
Jen[nifer Stone]
jmstone at lithoi dot demon dot co dot uk
"In housing his great tortoise, Tsang Wen-Chung
had the capitals of the pillars carved in the
shape of hills and the rafter posts painted in
a duckweed design. What is one to think of his
intelligence?" Confucius, /The Analects/
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267536 ] Di, 16 Mai 2006 22:05
Jennifer Stone  
Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Jennifer Stone <jmstone [at] NOSPAMlithoi.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>>
>> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2 marks]"
>>
>> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer. I
>> think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they playing
>> at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>
>
> Facts without information forms opinions.
> Information without facts forms belief.

I like that!


--
Jen[nifer Stone]
jmstone at lithoi dot demon dot co dot uk
"In housing his great tortoise, Tsang Wen-Chung
had the capitals of the pillars carved in the
shape of hills and the rafter posts painted in
a duckweed design. What is one to think of his
intelligence?" Confucius, /The Analects/
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #267542 ] Mi, 17 Mai 2006 21:04
Diane L  
Jennifer Stone wrote:
<snip>
> There's always a sneaking suspicion that the examiner has
> their Secret Official Answer set down already, no deviation from which
> will be accepted, and the question is really part of a great game of
> examiner psychology.

Not examiner psychology, exam *board* psychology. The examiner
is probably sitting there looking at the mark scheme and thinking
'What idiot wrote this?', and would be quite happy to give the marks
to a reasonable answer. Whether s/he will give you the mark even
if it isn't the answer required by the mark scheme depends on how
much leeway is allowed by the examining body (and possibly on
whether s/he can get away with awarding the mark without a senior
marker querying it).

Diane L.
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #269472 ] Sa, 20 Mai 2006 23:00
Jennifer Stone  
Diane L wrote:
> Jennifer Stone wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>There's always a sneaking suspicion that the examiner has
>>their Secret Official Answer set down already, no deviation from which
>>will be accepted, and the question is really part of a great game of
>>examiner psychology.
>
>
> Not examiner psychology, exam *board* psychology. The examiner
> is probably sitting there looking at the mark scheme and thinking
> 'What idiot wrote this?', and would be quite happy to give the marks
> to a reasonable answer. Whether s/he will give you the mark even
> if it isn't the answer required by the mark scheme depends on how
> much leeway is allowed by the examining body (and possibly on
> whether s/he can get away with awarding the mark without a senior
> marker querying it).

I sit corrected. Of course, I should draw a distinction between the
examiners who really quite human, and the Chief Lord High Heads of the
Examination Board, who I'm told bear a certain resemblence to
Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee and like ordering the teachers about.

--
Jen[nifer Stone]
jmstone at lithoi dot demon dot co dot uk
"In housing his great tortoise, Tsang Wen-Chung
had the capitals of the pillars carved in the
shape of hills and the rafter posts painted in
a duckweed design. What is one to think of his
intelligence?" Confucius, /The Analects/
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #269577 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 02:47
Duke of URL  
mcv [at] mcvmcv [at] xs4all.nl
> Richard Heathfield <invalid [at] invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Jennifer Stone said:
>>
>>> On my General Studies examination today appeared the question:
>>>
>>> "Briefly, describe how fact and opinion relate to belief. [2
>>> marks]"
>>>
>>> Followed by about two inches of space in which to write an answer.
>>> I think it is answerable, but for /two marks/? What are they
>>> playing at? And, genuinely, what answer do they want?
>>
>> How about this: "It is my belief that this question has no sensible
>> answer that can actually be fitted into the space provided, and my
>> opinion that this answer is not sufficiently clever to receive
>> either of the two available marks, but who am I to argue with the
>> fact that you will give me both?"
>
> I've got no idea what a mark is worth nowadays, but I'd certainly
> award some points for this answer.
>
According to XE.com, 1 Mark = $.65 or L.35 (today's exchange rate)
--
Moses Lambert PO1(SW) USN(ret)
Prothonotary Wibbler, Paleoconservative, Surface Warrior Squid,
Aristocidal Philosoph; Science was invented by insomniacs - At 3am - In
a bar
Re: [I] An entertaining exam question [message #272849 ] So, 21 Mai 2006 16:38
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Jennifer Stone wrote:
> Diane L wrote:
>> Jennifer Stone wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>>>There's always a sneaking suspicion that the examiner has
>>>their Secret Official Answer set down already, no deviation from which
>>>will be accepted, and the question is really part of a great game of
>>>examiner psychology.
>>
>> Not examiner psychology, exam *board* psychology. The examiner
>> is probably sitting there looking at the mark scheme and thinking
>> 'What idiot wrote this?', and would be quite happy to give the marks
>> to a reasonable answer. Whether s/he will give you the mark even
>> if it isn't the answer required by the mark scheme depends on how
>> much leeway is allowed by the examining body (and possibly on
>> whether s/he can get away with awarding the mark without a senior
>> marker querying it).
>
> I sit corrected. Of course, I should draw a distinction between the examiners
> who really quite human, and the Chief Lord High Heads of the Examination
> Board, who I'm told bear a certain resemblence to Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee
> and like ordering the teachers about.

The same comments could be made about a lot of examiners, though, in
my experience. Marking schemes that assume the student thinks along
exactly the same lines as the examiner are all too common.

Adrian.
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